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Stats show women still shun tech jobs

But your industry needs you

THE LAMENTATBLE LACK of women in the UK's IT and telecoms industry has been born out in official statistics published today.

In 2007 the numbers of women working in IT and telecoms professions in the UK increased a mere half a percentage point over2006.

The proportion of women in IT has been languishing around the teen percentiles since the air started escaping from the dotcom bubble. That is, over 80 per cent of the people in tech jobs are men and its been that way for years, according to stats produced exclusively for the INQUIRER by the Office of National Statistics.

The proportions of women in IT are up to 50 per cent less than they were in the 90s, if you discount those filing paper and booking meeting rooms.

The stats illustrate just how ineffective E-Skills, the industry's skills quango, has been in coaxing women into the IT professions.

And the recent dribble of chauvinistic comments to the INQUIRER's recent stories on the gender skills crisis illustrate that work must still be done to educate the Neanderthals who populate some IT departments.

E-Skills own report said last month the the gender imbalance in tech professions had become so dire that a "new approach" was needed to get more women into IT.

But the quango's consultation over its future strategy, which opened this week, gives no indication that it has heeded its own advice. Rather than a new approach, its draft strategic plan gives us only more of the same, along with some hackneyed rhetoric about Britain's place in a "new world order".

This "emerging new world order", said E-Skills, was a globalised world in w hich the UK stood as a leader among nations on the strength of its professional, managerial and user IT&T skills. The quango would make Britain Great again by encouraging firms to improve these skills.

Indeed, its mission was "critically" important for Britain's well-being and the "very survival" of British firms depended on their strategic investment in technology.

But E-Skills has dropped the spiel it was running only last month about more women being "vital" to Britain's IT industry. The reasoning had gone that there weren't enough high quality male IT professionals to shore Britain's IT industry up against ravenous foreign Tigers and Dragons.

E-Skills has vowed to stick to its market approach to tackling the gender skills crisis, which means doing little and certainly not doing anything new.

It's strategic plan recommended only promoting IT as a profession and continuing Computer Clubs for Girls, an after-school programme that has attracted a mere 120,000 pupils in three years.

But E-Skills has opened a public consultation on its strategy, which gives people until 27 June to suggest how it could buck its ideas up, perhaps by making employers commit to gender targets, or by investing in training centres with a proven track record of getting women into the IT industry. µ

Women in IT - the numbers

Comments

Sad state of affairs...

More women in IT would be great... especially on our floor, the 2 poor lasses get oogled enough by the 25 other guys...

Send them our way, thx k bye.
posted by : needindistraction, 02 May 2008

Oog

As a male neanderthal who works in an IT department serving mere humans I find your comments derogatory.
posted by : Ughoogh, 02 May 2008

How about lamenting about the lack of white males in the NBA for a change?

Tsk, tsk, tsk ... This article is yet another product of one of the (hopefully few) heavily lobotomized INQ editors. (Or is it that they started hiring Australopitheci?)

...And what would be the *benefit* of having more women in the IT business? Make the womanoids feel better about themselves? Well, how about increasing the number of white males in the NBA by administrative measures? ... Just to make them feel better about their basketball "skills." How would that work? Care to comment?

Anyway, so far I haven't heard a good motivation for promoting equal numbers of females and males in the IT industry (or any market-constrained industry, for that matter).

(I bet whoever wrote the article counts on a strong showing of "Neanderthalian" replies (he "figured us out"), so, my fellow IT Neanderthalians, let's not disappoint the bloke!
posted by : Proud Neanderthalian, 02 May 2008

Name and shame the trainers

They could start by naming and shaming the universities and colleges who close down IT courses with more than 50% women, such as Queen's University Belfast.
posted by : tobesacked, 02 May 2008

Where results matter...

One reason women don't pursue IT careers is because it's a field where results matter and that the office can't wait for them to drop off their children at day-care while a critical server is down. Many women have learned that they only need to go through the motions of work and answer any questions about their competence with threats of a witch-hu, *cough*, sexual harassment lawsuit. Unfortunately, the mission-critical nature of IT requires management to grow a pair and stand up to this blackmail. Managers in other less critical ("female friendly") departments usually don't.
posted by : Private Party, 02 May 2008

more leftist crap

I'm so sick of hearing that we need to have more women in certain jobs. Everything in the first world is made to prop women up at the expense of men. Women aren't in those jobs because they generally don't have the skills needed for success. Women don't have any interest in it? Yeah, right. Like I don't have any interest in becoming a brain surgeon. But wait it's not because I'm not smart enough.
For the last 40 years or so there has been a push by government to promote incompetent minorities in every type of job. Oh, you don't have the skills or education or brains? No problem we will just pass a law. This means that every competent person has to drag the dead weight of three other screw ups along with him.
Why do they do this? My guess is so white males are so hobbled that they don't have time to foment revolution. Don't believe I'm right? Here is a little clue. It is all rooted in the events and participants of WWII. Both criminal and victim. P.S. I give this comment about a 1 in three chance of being posted.
posted by : sulu, 02 May 2008

Wow - I understand

After reading the comments here and at the other referenced article, I can't blame UK women for not working in tech. I've not seen such idiocy since I went to a local school to talk to the 7th graders about technology.

I'm a woman working in tech in the States, quite happy with my career (and doing quite well, as it turns out). If my colleagues were your commenters, I'd quit too. I'd never encourage a daughter to go into a profession where she'd have to work with them.
posted by : Not a Chance, 02 May 2008

Not a Chance?

Things might be different here and there. However from my own experience, most women don't do great in IT. They simply don't, either they lack interest or they really can't. I can't stress enough though that there are exceptions. For some reasons most people and especially journalists keep translating the word most to word always.

I am guessing not many woman are not in IT is partially because of the deducation required to do the job. It takes years to understand subtleties of programming and more than 8 hours a day to learn them. Apparently much more women have lives outside the schools, colleges or companies than men at the same age. So maybe this is the part of the case?

Another possible reason is that women in general (yes, I have seen it proven statistically and please, anyone who is guessing that it means ALL the women, be quiet) do not have as good geometrical skill especially in 3 dimensional depth perception. Which for me at least forms the basis of programming and yes, I am a programmer as well and among the best in at least my country. Sorry about not being modest and don't take me wrong, I am not in any way trying to downcast women. Women are usually much better at many other jobs that require communication with people.

And that's it, why is it so important that men and women should do equally all jobs? I would not want to look after children in kindergarten or something similar. However, women tend to enjoy these jobs and I do enjoy mine. If they don't they can come and learn IT and we welcome them. Speaking of which, if I wanted to get a job in kindergarten there would sure to be someone to cry out that I am a pervert. Well, I am not and I do not want a job in kindergarten.

Since I spent that much time writing about a pseudo-problem that does not address the real one, which is why governments spend more on warfare than science and education, I guess I am going to xor a byte with itself and multiply it by fourty two.
posted by : The Manager, 03 February 2008

Comment Title

I am an American white male. I don't think there "should be more women in technology," any more than I think there "should be more men in nursing."

I think every man and woman should work in whatever field they want to. No particular field should be spending time attracting anyone more specific than someone who would love to work in it.

"We need more women," is silly. A woman needs to work where a woman will be happy, regardless of how that fits into stereotypes.

I am really shocked by the sexists statements in the comments. Saying that women won't work in technology because they have children is just silly.
posted by : Jason, 02 May 2008

For ponders on the left side

Speaking as an extinctguished IT Neonderling, there seem to me no shortage of females working in IT in US, including many as management.

All get the nod before wasp men.

Remember gents: use the carots before the stick.

Yes ma'am, boss-lady, Roberta's your auntie.
posted by : â‚­arlsbad, 03 May 2008

So...?

No one is keeping women out of the field. THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE TO GO INTO IT. The fact of the matter is women want flexibility in their jobs. That's why they don't go for jobs that require hard work and long hours. The most successful women you see usually don't have children (or even more rare have a stay-at-home husband). But what I do I know, I'm just a white guy and apparently I'm an evil/racist/sexist bastard no matter what I do or say.
posted by : Tom, 03 May 2008

Ohhhh

Work in IT industry is done with the brain not the genitalia.
posted by : Karutzar, 03 May 2008

Relax

It certainly is silly to deny that there are women are interested in IT. I personally attended college with several women who went on to IT careers.

On the other hand, however, this drive is marginal at best. Women simply don't seem to be interested. Is this sexism at work, or something else? I don't really see why it matters as long as the job gets done.
posted by : Robert, 03 February 2008

Does it matter?

Honestly, does it really matter? All that should matter is that any woman who wants to, and is capable of, doing a job should have an equal shot at getting that job and should not be subject to any discrimination because of her gender.

If women aren't applying for these jobs in droves its because they don't want to, not because they can't. Those that do work in this trade are well regarded but they are a minority because the work is, believe it or not, quite exacting -- only the good ones survive, the mediocre ones tend to drift into Marketing.
posted by : Martin, 03 May 2008

When it's all said and done.

Pickets and movements aside, people are generally free to do what they want, at least here in Silicon Valley. Check out "The Sexual Paradox" by Susan Pinker.

"I'm so liberal and cosmopolitan I became a conservative to be different."
posted by : Barry Allard, 04 May 2008

Thanks for the laugh, guys...

Sex aside, this comment made me scream with laughter:

"This "emerging new world order", said E-Skills, was a globalised world in w hich the UK stood as a leader among nations on the strength of its professional, managerial and user IT&T skills."

As an ex-pat working in IT here in Europe, I've learned to expect the entire project to go to the wall if any managerial or project management staff from the UK get involved. I have plenty of experience to back this up. UK IT staff are as good as their European brothers, but the management people really should be dragged out and shot - as the phrase "couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery" applies to this species.

Sorry if it hurts, but that's the problem with speaking the truth...

Oliver.
posted by : Oliver Jones, 04 May 2008

So what about women dominated jobs?

How come I do not see any articles about the few men in professions like nursing or teaching? The fact of the matter is that women do not want these professions, it is their choice not some white male dominating them. If you go to any university you'll find that most women are happy pursing degrees in liberal arts then in any of the "hard" sciences.

This just shows how skewed things are. Professions that are male dominated are labeled sexist and elitist while professions dominated by women receive none of this.
posted by : Alex, 05 May 2008

No! No! Not this again please.

TSIA.
posted by : Norman Andrews, 05 May 2008

Sexism my arse

The facts speak for themselves. If women were genuinely interested in tech jobs, they would have a fair share of those jobs to reflect it.

If countries need to "import" programmers etc, I'm sure they wouldn't mind if they are male or female as long as they do the job.

The fact is that men & women are not the same & hopefully never wil lbe. They tend to NATURALLY enjoy different things.

The fact that I cannot stand women with doll collections or those that are IT illitirate is my own problem, NOT THEIRS.

There is nothing wrong with women not wanting IT jobs. IF that is their preference.

Just read Simon Baron Cohen's book "The essential difference"

It's light & can break the ice easy into such insights.
posted by : Someone Special, 05 February 2008
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