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DNA database built on deceit

Innocent people swept up in inquisitorial fervour

THE UK GOVERNMENT has justified keeping the details of innocent people on the National DNA Database with shameless propaganda, according to a report by Genewatch.

The campaign group tackled claims repeated by Prime Munster Gordon Brown for retaining the DNA records of people picked up by the police but not charged with any offence, just in case they really do commit a crime one day.

This was not merely another reminder that the retention of innocent people's DNA threatens to replace the principle that all people are innocent until proven guilty, with the malodorous mantra that some people are more suspicious than others, we just can't prove that they are yet: it was a thorough shredding of the arguments used by the government and security hawks for the retention of innocent people's DNA (such as the Ipswich murderer and the killer of Sally-Anne Bowman).

Dr Helen Wallace, Genewatch campaigner, said today: "The Prime Minister’s claim that 'in all probability' 114 murderers would have walked away had innocent people’s records not been retained on the National DNA Database is false." Brown had been defending the UK's growing use of sci-fi security technology, saying it brought liberty to the British people by making them feel safer.

There is little evidence that any of it is very effective and that the money might not be better spent tackling social inequalities and the causes of crime. Nevertheless Brown tried to defend the government's retention of innocent people's DNA by claiming the practice was effective. "If we had not made this change, 8,000 suspects who have been matched with crime scenes since 2001 would in all probability have got away, their DNA having been deleted from the database. This includes 114 murders, 55 attempted murders, 116 rapes, 68 other sexual offences, 119 aggravated burglaries, and 127 drugs offences," Brown said.

Not only were these claims false, Wallace pointed out, but the government itself had admitted so in 2006. The problems with the claims were many, starting with the fact that they are based on government guestimates with no reference to actual prosecutions. The government has presented no evidence of prosecutions despite the growth in these numbers since it first started touting them in 2004.

But Brown's numbers are two years old and include references to DNA suspects identified seven years ago. The Genewatch report reminded us of the many reasons why DNA matches can link an innocent person with a crime, the least of which are false matches and the errors on the database. Just one out of every eight DNA matches lands someone with a prison sentence, according to Genewatch. Only two out of every DNA matches lead to a conviction.

Half of those suspects detected on the DNA database, however, had already been identified. And most of those were up for burglaries. The victim's DNA is what counts in murder cases an rape cases usually hinge on consent.

Genewatch cited examples of where the government had misleadingly used, even in court, evidence of emotive rape and murder cases to justify the retention of innocent people's DNA. While the National Policing Improvement Agency has said it is not possible to give a number of convictions secured with DNA because people can't be convicted on DNA evidence alone. Many people's DNA will be found at a crime scene.

These are some of the reasons the British Academy of Forensic Sciences said keeping innocents' DNA was disproportionate. The Scottish Parliament thought so too, having ruled out the retention of innocents' DNA twice in the last two years. It did so because it was "vital to strike the right balance between prosecuting criminals and protecting the innocent".

Brown cited that same need for balance in his defence of the retention of innocent's DNA.

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Comments

DNA is NOT accurate testing.

"DNA" testing is Rue to force person to confession, although certain diseases carried in serum can be somewhat unique, like eyeglasses or false teeth.

DNA genetics started by ripping apart chromosomes with ordinary dishwashing detergent & then taking resultant mess & rewashing with alcohol, leaving behind seperated strands of DNA. Those strands then are Clipped & grown in nutriant to see what result is, musitly jello.
Yet sometimes test would produce unique chemical needed by Mankind.
Question of what makes DNA is simplely answered by Watson & associates in distructive testing. Guanine, Adelsone, Thiamin & Cytosine. basicly shit,stimulant,growth factor & acrylic factor. It is very rough gauge of whats in there, at Best.
Intials AGTC are then combined by computer to see how many unique matches can be made in million or even billion units of space, those are suppose to represent sum of all total combinations. With NO idea on how to mate them, what they do or EVEN if theory of uniqueness is true.
Unfortuneately DNA cuts itself apart in time, & recombines itself, thaught to be reason for aging. So BIG problem is anybody could match anyone else in time, Even if Matching where true.
Think of Joy of Sending some Children to prison for Life for having Consentual Party & fooling Em latter. Thats about total good, except theres BIG Monies in Deception.Maybe even Guilty Parties Being Set FREE.
Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART VON DRASHEK M.D.

PS DNA Function is to produce RNA. RNA is chemical that is used within body to build itself. Basicly from teeth to DNA its manufacturing plant that filters Molecules smaller & smaller till small enough to fit thru inner cell wall , into chromosone packet& stripped apart by DNA, leaving much of former chemical or forgien body broken to safe level of use, then taking that & recombining it into RNA for food for its own cell body. Rest of idea that DNA controlled your appearence may be LIE, although if its LIE its BIG One. Actual way Egg Cell, zygote, forms into exact copies from parent gamites is still unknown or unspeakable to Public,Theres Little Gremlin inside YOU.
posted by : Medical_Doctor, 27 June 2008

Why

Please keep reporting about this matter. Kudos to Genewatch! A few more names of the wrongdoers and the connexions would be useful. Maybe, maybe the mass media will pick up the story later, when our children ask us why we have not prevented this. Why?
posted by : Do Not Allow, 27 June 2008

When The Emotion Demands Its Egoistical Rights

What do you get when you “integrate” a worshipful with a borstal school master? A preacher no less for this leftie turned rightie [and then leftie, ad infinitum] not only feels he has direct access to his god, he demands that others recognise that too. His god comes first followed closely by himself and thereafter, ALL must tread his path. As the Chinese will say, “Dropping stools for others to tread”.

When people err individually or en masse, the resultant instability sets in motion, a correction that Nature will rectify [in order to nurture our witnessing aspect] be that individually, as in illnesses, or an all-encompassing event as in natural disasters with seemingly serendipity. “And how would know, you nutter”, howls the immortality banker. “Just by looking at you and the errors that you’ve harvested but kept only for yourself, oh great example of the pendulum swing”. Tick, tock, first he howls, then he barks, then he hisses and then he hoots. A snake will always admit that it is a snake and keeps on performing the duty Nature had evolved it for but a human, when he’s on the prowl, armed only with his 3 little minds, will unleash his pent-up errors in great big leaps demanding sympathy or exploding in carnage. And all because he thinks he’d been chosen by his god to loot-up his eternal bank account. Even an animal is never as stupid as the typical mind-bending human. Trying to decide on others’ future aka the ego aka sadism aka cruelty. That’s what intellect/projecting-the-future does to a human. Making him a stupid idiot who thinks he is something great. “Just like me”. Like the religious becoming a scientist. The Armageddonite.
posted by : it will happen, 28 June 2008

Who's loss of freedom?

"in all probability' 114 murderers would have walked"
Well they'll be let out tomorrow to avoid overcrowding, or through sheer incompetence so why bother infringing everyone else's rights.

I wish I had a large company so I had a vote that counted!
posted by : Tom, 29 June 2008

What the hell...?

"“Just by looking at you and the errors that you’ve harvested but kept only for yourself, oh great example of the pendulum swing”. Tick, tock, first he howls, then he barks, then he hisses and then he hoots."

To two of the posters above: Even if your attempts at artificial intelligence were more developed than they are (and to be honest, you might want to return to your respective drawing boards), this would still be the wrong forum in which to test them.

To the moderators: You -do- exist, right?

[Nope. MOD]
posted by : PeriSoft, 29 June 2008
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